Almost two years ago, I hosted Gary Antonacci who specializes in investing using momentum anomalies. That episode was very popular among listeners. This was partly due to the fact that such an investment model is straightforward and not very time-consuming.

Today I am pleased to host Gary again, but we are talking about an investment approach that is at the opposite extreme of the momentum anomaly. While momentum takes advantage of long-term trends, today Gary will tell us how he takes advantage of short-term, counter-trend anomalies when the market is extremely overbought or oversold.

Rick Ferri, a guest of today’s episode, is a well-known person in the investment industry for years. He is a retired US Marine and fighter pilot. He worked as a broker and portfolio manager in an investment company and got the CFA title. Currently, he works mainly as a consultant in the area of cheap index investing. Rick is also the author of numerous books for investors and the host of the Bogleheads podcast, which is for anyone looking for a smart approach to investing and personal finance.

In this episode, we talk about the philosophy of index investing proposed by Jack Bogle, founder of Vanguard. You will learn about the reasons why Rick proposes to invest through cheap index funds and ETFs. Rick also explains how to approach building a portfolio step by step. I ask my guest, among other things, what will happen when everyone starts to invest passively.

Wes Gray after serving as a Captain in the United States Marine Corps earned an MBA and a PhD in the finance from the University of Chicago where he studied under Nobel Prize Winner Eugene Fama. He worked as a finance professor at Drexel University. He then found Alpha Architect — a research-intensive asset management firm with a focus on high-conviction value and momentum factor exposures. In this interview, we talk about why it’s so important to have a process, trust it, be patient and to have a long-term investment perspective. Wes explains that no strategy works all the time and that pain is always a part of successful investing.